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Skate park gets another delay
by Gary Kent
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The building of a proposed skate park was delayed again Tuesday night when an issue came up about a proposed site for the facility.

City Council members said the city may want to have an engineer look at soil conditions at Poesta Creek Park before that property is selected as the site for the construction of a large, concrete structure.

City Manager Tom Ginter told council members that the Beeville Parks and Recreation Commission had met on Nov. 16 and had recommended that the council choose Poesta Creek Park on South Tyler Street as the location for the skating facility.

Their recommendation came after commissioners were told that their most recent choice, on land adjacent to the west side of the Beeville Boys and Girls Club, had been rejected by the Beeville Youth Soccer League.

The league maintains soccer fields west of the club building.

During the Nov. 16 PARC meeting, Ginter read a letter from Commissioner Gilbert Herrera saying he wanted to recommend that park for the location of a skating facility.

Other commissioners agreed.

Two of the three council members, Mayor Santiago “Jimbo” Martinez and Mayor Pro Tem Mike Scotten, were poised to go along with the recommendation when Councilman David Carabajal pointed out that there may be some concerns about using that park.

Carabajal reminded fellow council members that “we had shied away from that park earlier.”

He cited concerns brought up by former City Manager Ford Patton when the park was first considered. Patton told the council at that time that the area had once been a landfill site and that there may be concerns about the compaction of the soil there.

Also, a couple of large, concrete sewer lines are located there. Carabajal said there are some substantial manhole-type structures on the grounds of the park.

“It would probably be a good idea to investigate those issues,” Martinez said.

Ginter recommended having the city’s engineering firm of record, Urban Engineering, check the soil conditions and presence of sewer lines before that park is selected for the skate park.

Engineer Jim Urban attended the meeting and said his firm had participated in the construction of a bowl-type skate park in Port Aransas recently.

He assured the council that his company could conduct the study of the proposed site.

Gary Kent is a reporter at the Bee-Picayune and can be reached at 358-2550, ext. 120, or at reporter@mySouTex.com.
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chilidog
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December 10, 2010
Like I've suggested to 361skater, everyone that's interested in getting a skate park built correctly, location, monetary funding, etc., you have a have a voice at City Council meetings. There are some people around this town that would be gracious enough to empty their pockets in support of a skate park. Do fundraising events, participate in other charitable events on behalf of the skaters so that the community at large will see that you guys are serious. All it takes is something small like that and you'll gain the respect you need.

I was also at the Place to SK8 fundraiser last year and there are 20 times the amount of skaters here in Beeville than when I grew up here skating 25 years ago. I still skate occasionally, and will continue to skate until I'm in a wheel chair and will support and do what I can to help get this park built. Not only do I want it for myself, I want it for my kids when they're old enough to get on a board.

Like kat73 says, you want outsiders coming here where hopefully an elite skate park will be built. That is REVENUE...

Skating is a blast and can be enjoyed by all walks of life...
RichardGrayum
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December 09, 2010
The City of Leander (northwest suburb of Austin) recently completed a 4,800 square foot skatepark that was turnkeyed (design/build) for around $100,000. Only about 20 people from the skating community provided input. Any weekend day you will see 10-30 people out there at any time, a majority have driven from nearby cities. The one in Leander has: a 3-5 foot kidney bowl and street course (30-70 split per community). The street course was triangular with arch taco, pyramid and cantilevered quarter-pipe anchoring the corners and hubba ledges, benches, stairs, handrails, open bottom jump, volcano, arched taco and ramps supporting the course. Its begginner to intermediate and is not competition ready. Picture here: http://impactnews.com/leander-cedar-park/137-inside-information/5895-skate-parks-under-development

My only advice is to make sure the City builds what YOU want to skate. There is nothing worse than an empty skatepark.
361Skater
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December 05, 2010
yeah it is its not as bad as it was back then though the bikers are tolerable cause there's only like 6 of em at the most so that whole splitting time with the park issue wont be too hard but i totally agree with your opinion that would be the best thing to do but along with the problem for the actual skate park we need a secret location and that doesn't exist in beeville haha
361Skater
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December 05, 2010
we still do have that its just that there is no where to put them or keep them to where no one will mess with them not only that not all of us skate ramps quarter pipes or half pipes we like skating street too and we have nowhere to do that either and how do we vandalize? by grinding and sliding? were not the only ones who do that your forget there are bmxers in this town and their pegs on the bikes chip concrete off ledges not skateboards im not blaming anybody for it its just that skateboarders get the heat most of the time for that. the only problem is that there is no where for us to go and it might sound like extortion but its not were just tired of being put down by our own community just for what we do
361Skater
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December 05, 2010
Exactly! so how can you be against it? i mean yeah your entitled to your choice about it but at the same time wouldnt you wanna see another family member happy doing what they love instead of being put down about his grades and performance in school? i mean riding a skateboard can teach you lots of things they dont or lack teaching at school i.e. self confidence self control how to keep a positive mental attitude while skating and focusing on a trick and if has as much passion about it as you make it seem then skateboarding will get him farther than school ever would not sayin an education isnt important but its true skateboarding can get him far. yeah and it was in quotations because it was someone else who had called us that when they were kicking us out of a spot. and what has america done for them to wanna do that? we go over there on some false war onto their soil and kill any and everything that moves including little innocent kids trying to protect themselves and their families from those extremist,the US,and their own military haha and making nice with a muslim or an american wouldnt be any different at all now can we keep politics out of this for once? and yeah because id rather skate around this town....its better on gas and for the economy =P and yeah while your sitting driving around in your car im skating these streets and i do see every problem wrong with these roads and streets those can be fixed anytime but a simple skatepark is taking years!!! whats up with that?
Saltpork
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December 05, 2010
361Skater - One of your 25 skaters is one of my relatives. He has the hair down in his face, a silly little hat, his tight jeans, the slouch, the bruises and the road rash from attempted "tricks" and ever since he picked up a skateboard his grades have gone south. If he spent as much time studying as he does flipping a skateboard and making noise I suspect he would be an A student.

Calling these Ska8ter Dudes "little rats of the town" are your words, not mine. This statement insults rats so I would appreciate if you would apologize to the rat population.

Most of the radical, islamic extremist, radical jihad waging members of middle eastern countries are Muslim and want to kill all Infidels which include me and most other Americans. You want to make nice with a Muslim? Go ahead.

No problems with Beeville roads or streets? Obviously you don't drive much in Beeville
361Skater
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December 02, 2010
and obviously you missed the point too you know the one about keeping politics out of this and no i didnt "attack" someone for their opposing an opinion im stating mine just like everyone else whether it offends someone or not i could care less and what are these bigger problems here then? getting roads and streets fixed when there arent any problems with them? or and this does effect peoples day to day lives because im sure us skatebaorders get complained about on the daily and everyones tired of hearing those complaints cause its the same thing "oh we have skaters in the streets or in this empty parking lot get them out of here now!" trust me i know i go through that ALL the time and we wouldnt have this "attitude" if we could just get a skate park instead of some location problem or we dont have enough money blah blah blah all it is is to keep us waiting and obviously enough were tired of waiting ive heard stories about past skateboarders trying to get a skatepark for the past 20 years!! so yeah this IS a big problem because kids are going to jail and getting tickets for harmless skateboarding how is that NOT a problem? this city gives everyone a fair chance at what they want except skateboarders the city builds a slab of concrete with stair sets behind down town and for what? to be used like once a month? and we can even skate it for 5 minutes without cops being called or someone telling us to leave now thats ridiculous! so whatre you more worried about our "attitude" towards getting the park or having one of us skateboarders continue skating in the streets and god forbid get hit by a car? now whats the bigger problem here?
JerryMouse
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December 02, 2010
Yeah, Hitler was notorious for his anti-skateboarding views.

You just negated any argument you may have been able to make to try and sway people that are against building the park and in the same swoop personally attacked someone for offering an opinion contrary to yours.

This town has much bigger problems than building some half pipes and pools. Things that actually effect people's day to day lives are more important.

This entitled to a park attitude these skaters have about getting this park built is one of the biggest reason I have always been against it.
361Skater
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December 01, 2010
yeah obviously "saltpork" missed the "if not more" part of my repsonse good job porky! and since when did politics have anything to do with skateboarding let alone politics that arent even from this state? and for all you know one of those "25 SK8ter dudes" (as you called us) could be one of your family members? so howre you gonna explain to them that you wanna ruin someone elses fun for your enjoyment? what you and the rest of the community that arent for this park dont realize that the kids here are the future of this town were the ones thatll really make the difference i mean look at us now were closer to getting a skate park then we ever have been and who put the will and dedication into that? THE KIDS! and everyone else who were in favor for us.(which im thankful for) but for you to try and make everyone else think this skate park is a bad idea or not worth the tax payers money is wrong i mean if you wanna get into politics then you remind me of hitler when he spoke and brainwashed germans into thinking jews and the minority are the enemies or how george w.bush would use media/big brother control to pollute american minds into thinking muslims or any middle eastern countries are the enemy.hitlers dead(like he should be),george bush is out of office,and YOU should stop trolling all over this site and being the bad apple in the bunch! now aside from boring politics,yeah everyone is talking about money it could be a priority IF we cant find grant funds those grant funds alone can pay for the park without help from tax payer money and as saltpork is thinkin right now "oh god forbid the tax payers money goes to this skatepark for these little rats of the town,instead i want the money to fund a war for global conquest blah blah blah!" if making money is such an issue in this town then the skatepark would be the best thing to do cause i know if im skating out of town i would tell my friends from corpus or victoria that theres a new skatepark in my hometown and i can GUARANTEE they will be here that following week to skate it. all im saying is stop throwing the community on the back burner dont you realize what a town thats tired of being ignored and unheard can do to its own system just to be heard/seen? like i said the kids are the future of this town and well have our say!
kat73
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December 01, 2010
In response to Saltpork's response: no the City Council is not expected to spend in excess of $100,000 for 25 skaters. 361 may have underestimated the number of skaters in our town because they aren't able to skate together in the same location. That 25 could possibly be just those he skates with on a regular basis. That does not include the younger kids who are picking up the sport. They are tossed from one locale to another just trying to find somewhere they won't be told to leave. We went to a rally held at the Skate Warehouse roughly 2 years ago and believe me there were possibly 3 times as many skaters there. Yes maybe a few were from out of town but isn't that part of what we are after? I drive an hour away to skate parks in Corpus and Victoria so that my son and his friends can skate rails and bowls they can't find in their hometown. That's money that's being taken away from Beeville.

I agree that one of the first things that needs to be looked at is location. Not just that the location has enough room for a real skate park but enough room for parking. When I say real I mean not just a concrete slab with some rails. Don't get me wrong I understand that the City Council wishes to build a great skate park in stages but who's to say the next stage won't be put on the back burner. We have to look at the big picture, holiday weekends, skate rallies, word of mouth that brings out of town skaters and their families to Beeville. That's REVENUE!!!!! Money coming in , not going out!

Another factor is size. Please City Council don't build a rinky dink skate park! Build something worth bringing our kids to, worth the drive for families from out of town and something our next generation can be proud of. A first class skate park can put Beeville on the map. And believe me contrary to opinion it would be appreciated.

Everyone is talking money. Why should City Council spend $100,000 on a skate park? Actually they don't really have to spend that entire amount. I personally gave grant info to members of the City Council at a town hall meeting. I even gave fundraising ideas to them. We, skaters and parents of skaters could do our own fundraising but where would that money go? Would it actually be put towards a skate park?

Ideal park for our community? First class skate park, bigger kids park, bbq areas for families and it would be wonderful if that was all in one location. The possibilities are endless Beeville but it isn't going to happen if the first step isn't taken and we just get hit with excuses.

I understand the concerns about the soil at a former landfill but a skate park, heck a great family park is possible on top of a former landfill. Please go to the net and look at Mount Trashmore Park in Virginia. My boyfriend told me about this park just last night. At 14 he watched Tony Hawk and Christian Hosoi compete there.

Please don't put these kids or for that matter families on the back burner anymore. I would love nothing more than to be able to bbq or even just sit somewhere with my family and watch my skater do his thing.

Saltpork
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November 30, 2010
361Skater states in his/her comment,

"from the time i started skating to now the population of skateboarders in this town has grown drastically,from where it was only atleast 9 of us to roughly atleast 25 of us now if not more."

So let me understand this. The City Council proposes to spend in excess of $100,000 on a facility to service 25 people? When did Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid move to Beeville?

bpuentejr
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November 30, 2010
Poor kids yet again the city council has let yall down. People read the similar stories above and see for your self how long they have been procrastinating on this project. We had a site picked out last year. But we can donate to the Rialto from our 4b sales tax monies, that aint right. We can also build a $200,000 dollar pavillion and use it once a month, that was a slap in the face. Some day we will get a couple of Councilman that will step up to the plate and invest in our children, our future. God bless you kids that want a skatepark. You kids don't owe the city a thing, we owe you. Be safe and be respectful, our park will come someday.
361Skater
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November 30, 2010
Im a local skateboarder here in beeville and this skatepark NEEDS to happen! ive been skating in this town for the past 6 years now and ive been going through the same thing all those years (i.e. getting kicked out of literally everywhere,having cops called on us just for trying to have fun like everyone else in this town,and being portrayed as some no good beatnik skate rat!) I mean the soccer league complains about the "limited space" they have at the boys and girls club,well atleast ya'll have somewhere to do the sport those kids love,but what about us? we have nowhere! go take a look around this town there are 'no skateboarding' signs pretty much literally everywhere. we can't even skate an empty alley behind anytime fitness center or an empty parking lot where we are clear out of traffic not bothering anyone thats pretty sad dont you think? from the time i started skating to now the population of skateboarders in this town has grown drastically,from where it was only atleast 9 of us to roughly atleast 25 of us now if not more. we need this park the skate spots we have left are getting too crowded! lol a complaint that i have also is how the cops treat us,nothing grinds my gears more than being treated as some criminal by some cop! they dont show us any amount of respect when they bust us at the spot they try and use intimidation and fear on the smaller younger skaters and try and make us older ones look like bad influences some of these cops on the force arent the best influences either. what kinda town are we living in where kids are getting sent to jail for skateboarding? for SKATEBOARDING!!! not using/dealing drugs,not driving drunk,no where close to being a murderer,but for skateboarding. i mean you might as well arrest people for playing football or basketball or anything else someone loves to do. all im trying to say is treat us like human beings and give us respect and well do that same for you.now im gonna leave this rant with this...the more you put this skate park on the back burner the longer well be in these streets and the more complaints the city will have to put up with from the community and im sure you guys are tired of hearing those arent you? =] 'skate to live, live to skate' and on behalf of all the skateboarders in this town....SKATE AND DESTROY!!!!
chilidog
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November 29, 2010
If you build it, they will come... Let's get this built for our kids and adults alike! I can't wait for something like this in Beeville. But, you gotta build it right the first time. Don't waste these tax payer dollars on a flat concrete slab! You have to get an expert skate park designer in the mix of the planning stages!!
Saltpork
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November 26, 2010
The Council needs to spend this money on street paving and repairs. Give the poor Taxpayer a break and spend on projects that benefit all citizens of Beeville rather than just a few Sk8ter Dudes.