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Paddling at Refugio Elementary under investigation
by Kenda Nelson
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The Refugio Police Department is currently investigating whether criminal charges will be filed on a Refugio assistant principal after he paddled an elementary school student last week.

“Up until today (Monday) we have gotten no cooperation from the parent,” Police Chief Chris Brock said. “There are factors we need to investigate. We are taking this seriously but we need to gather all the facts before a rush to judgment is made.”

Corienna Gonzales told a Channel 10 news reporter on television that she gave her permission for her child to receive “a lick,” not three swats. She said the child suffers from attention deficit disorder. His punished was for fighting at school.

The police chief said they wanted to talk to the mother and get a statement; however, on the advice of the woman’s attorney, she “would not speak to officers until Monday afternoon.”

Child Protective Services has been contacted and is pursuing its investigation as well.

The x-ray report for broken bones was negative, Brock said.

“At this point we need to know what medications the child may be on to see if he is on anything that might predisposed him to bruises and if there’s any previous or prior spanking in conjunction with the one he received at school,” Brock said..

The child’s parent reported the injury to an officer Friday.

The mother appeared on Channel 10 news, telling the reporter that she gave her permission to the assistant principal for “a lick,” rather than have him in suspension.

However, she said she thought she was agreeing to one swat, not three.

Bobby Azam, Refugio ISD superintendent, told the same reporter that the punishment ranges from a reprimand to termination if the assistant principal is found to be at fault.

According to the schools manual, a child’s parent decides the type of punishment. The superintendent also said the school’s policy does not say specifically how many swats are to be given if a parent chooses corporal punishment for their child.
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Against Child Abuse
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December 19, 2008
How a parent can try and force a Teacher to inflict pain on a their child is OUTRAGEOUS! It is really your responsiblity to punish your child as YOU see fit. The Teachers only responsiblity it to teach and set an example. IF you want the example to be hitting then you do it yourself what a way to shuck your responsibility to put it on the Teacher & Principal to do something you should be doing yourself and only yourself if that is how you choose to punish YOUR Child! I find extremely comical that a parent thinks that because their child was hit their grades improved. Parents want Teachers, Faculty & Administrators to do what they should be doing at home which is disciplining their children to be respectful individuals. It must have made you feel proud to let someone strike & humiliate your child in a way apparently you were to inept to handle doing yourself, but want to force others to hurt your child instead of you...

There is so much more to making A's & B's give your child some credit.

When a child is hit they aren't thinking why they are being hit, All they are thinking is they are being hit & it hurts!

I know its all about the pain Texans & Southerns love to beat, sexual abuse, assault, & kill babies and children. There isn't a week that goes by in Texas that there isn't a child either killed, sexually abused, or beaten...it has become very common and obviously acceptable. You are for child abuse or you are against it there is no in-between.
paddleaway
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December 19, 2008
My 10-year-old kid kept disrupting class and kept getting sent to Inschool suspension. He told me he liked it there because he could goof off. At the open house in front of my child, I told his teacher to notify me the next time he acts up in class and is sent to the principal's office because I wanted him spanked. I wanted him to associate pain with bad behavior. We tried "good parenting" crap and he just took advantage of it. The teacher said she refused to give paddlings and the principal said she would need a signed authorization from me. "Other kids want to learn," I told him as the principal looked on. "Other parents want their children to learn. They don't want you interupting their children's learning. If you don't want to learn, fine, but you sure had better not stop other kids from learning." I signed the form. The next time he got in trouble she sent him to ISS. I found out from my son and went up to the school to see why he wasn't paddled. The principal said she could not bring herself to paddle a child. I ordered her to do so and she found a middle school principal — a man — who was willing to spank my son. I watched as he popped my son's bottom with a good, hearty smack. My son yelped. I talked to him about it after school and told him that the next time he was sent to the principal's office I would spank him at home, just like my father and mother did to me when I got in trouble at school. Hee said he would behave from then on. And guess what, he did. His teacher said he stopped acting up in class. His grades went from Cs and Bs to As.
Correct View
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December 17, 2008
Funny how everyone seems to be blaming the child, the parent & a the law....rather than the Evil Doers that are using the law to abuse children.

Thankfully there are school districts in Texas that have removed the option of corporal punishment, they are the wealthier, more affluent schools & private schools. Where the Faculty & Administrators are paid substantially more as they are held to a much Higher Standard.
Another_View
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December 17, 2008
Well, if it's THE LAW, and the parent was given the option, then suspension should have been chosen. The choice was given. The parent is just as warped as the corporal punushment law!

What I KNOW...
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December 17, 2008
When I was in school over 30 yrs ago, Teachers had their boards proudly displayed hanging on the wall in the classroom. One I recall was a 2x4 cut in half with a cut out handle there were holes drilled in it and it had "Old Spanky" on it in reference to the electric chair "Old Sparky" used for corporal punishment of prisoners. My Science Teacher was also the baseball coach his board was a baseball bat that had been shaved off to make it flat it had holes drilled in it too the handle was left in tact so he could swing it like the bat it was.

I personally would like to see the board or lumber ie 2x4 they are using these days.

I recall a couple of guys that got "licks" regularly one of which is now serving time in prison and the other is a loser bum. So, all the licks they got through Jr High & High School certainly didn't do anything to keep them from being a menace to society I think it contributed to it.

As for the parent giving permission...it doesn't matter they didn't have to ask the parent because they have a legal right under Texas Law to use a board, lumber as a form of corporal punishment, so if the parent said NO the law would still allow the School to hit their children with or without permission it is the LAW! Texas is a State where it is legal for Schools to abuse, beat, inflict pain, batter, hurt, & assault a child without fear of arrest.
My_View
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December 15, 2008
I, too, do not agree with corporal punishment.

My outrage is more with the parent that agreed to it. Having been given the options, why was this "barbaric & very uncivilzed" alternative chosen. I don't think it's only a school issue.

I have a friend from Switzerland who tried to teach in the U.S. First, in Texas, then California. She could not become accustomed to the abuse and disrespect that teachers have to endure both from students and parents. Needles to say, she's back in Switzerland.
For the Children!
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December 15, 2008
Even so called teachers own children have discipline problems...so to say the reason a child misbehaves is a reflection on their parents is either very accurate or very inaccurate. But "licks" are nevertheless barbaric & very uncivilized. Look at Sweden, Switzerland, France etc....NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, & their children reflect the high standard of civilized behavior. No School shootings in Sweden, Switzerland etc...

I guess Refugio School Administration keeps their standards low & uncivilized...to reflect their education.

I am All WAYS for the Child! Adults that can't punish a child without inflicting pain are nothing but HEARTLESS SOUL VAMPIRES, stealing the spirits of young children! Only a fool would think that a child is going to be menace unless you inflict pain & injury on them in the school system...in fact it would be just the opposite...Hurt a child they learn to hurt, hit a child they learn to hit, beat a child they learn to beat, belittle child they learn to belittle....So I guess Refugio ISD can be proud they are teaching the children the same behavior they are exhibiting!
Behind the school
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December 13, 2008
Hi,I think that if all the parents agreed to this so called "cruel and unusual punishment" these kids would have more respect for them and their teachers.I do think that discipline starts at home with the parents but now a days everyone is afraid of the way they bring up their kids for fear of getting in trouble with the law.That's why the world is the way it is today,no discipline at home or in school kids do what they want.People today let others tell them how to raise their kids and I think it's wrong.So the kid gets "3 licks",better now than when the kid grows up to be a menace to society.
Clearly...
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December 02, 2008
Clearly you are uneducated... all my children are grown and excelled in school one of which is also a Teacher in Austin, the other an Engineer. Don't foolishly attack my family.

I'm a retired Teacher and never resorted to violence to Discipline or Punish my students. Assault & Battery is being violently hit with something by someone, Enough said!

I am very well educated & Clearly you are NOT! Because you can't handle having an intelligent debate without trying insult innocent children.

anon
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December 02, 2008
Clearly some one does not understand the law about assualt and battery, you can not kill someone with a a spanking. you sir are clearly the one who is uneducated, and I'm sure your children are the ones causing problems and school and or going out and getting into mischief... "nuff said"
whip them?
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December 02, 2008
No whipping them teaches them to whip & hit.

Lets first and foremost educate the Teachers & Administration that hitting is NOT the answer to disciplining! Why is it okay to hit a child with a weapon? It is assault with a deadly weapon plan & simple. That is why our bosses can't take a board to us at work if we don't follow the rules....I mean if anyone can handle a beating with a deadly weapon it would be an Adult not an Elementary age child. Next They'll be striking the 4 yr olds in Pre-K, they probably already have. Only someone ignorant would think that the only option is Suspension, there is In-School suspension which means they still have to go to school. Clearly Anon is uneducated...because hitting is NOT DISCIPLINE it is Punishment! Not just punishment but ABUSE! What 4 or 5 year old would want to go back to School after being beaten with a weapon? What kind of education are they teaching in backwoods Refugio to beat & hit a child??? This may be yet another reason why children take a guns to School ….think about it….

anon
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December 02, 2008
Discipline begings at home. If parents are not going to enforce discipline on there own children, then someone should. A licking is better than being suspended from school, all that does is instill negative/positive reenforcement, a child will look at as "hey if I do this today I won't have to go to school tomorrow"

Let them get whipped, they'll learn better and get the education they deserve
STOP CHILD ABUSE!
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December 02, 2008
Paddling DOES NOT work! That is unless they are teaching our children to hit someone when you want them to act a certain way.

Violence begets Violence. The fact that a so-called 'educator' chooses violence with the use of a piece of LUMBER is ignorant.

I grew up with parents that would beat me with a belt letting it strike any and all parts of my body. Then went to school to find the same barbaric behavior. These are Elementary age children under 10, Kindergarteners are subject to being struck with a piece of Lumber.....It is all outrageous & pure evil! And anyone that supports abusing children in this way are nothing but uneducated soul vampires!!!

SAVE THE CHILDREN! STOP CHILD ABUSE! REPORT IT!!!

STOP CHILD ABUSE!
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December 02, 2008
Paddling DOES NOT work! That is unless they are teaching our children to hit someone when you want them to act a certain way.

Violence begets Violence. The fact that a so-called 'educator' chooses violence with the use of a piece of LUMBER is ignorant.

I grew up with parents that would beat me with a belt letting it strike any and all parts of my body. Then went to school to find the same barbaric behavior. These are Elementary age children under 10, Kindergarteners are subject to being struck with a piece of Lumber.....It is all outrageous & pure evil! And anyone that supports abusing children in this way are nothing but uneducated soul vampires!!!

SAVE THE CHILDREN! STOP CHILD ABUSE! REPORT IT!!!

concerned...
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December 01, 2008
Elementary students can be paddled? This is of great concern to me as a parent it is not necessary to hurt an Elementary student they can be disciplined in so many other ways without inflicting pain on them...it seems to me, to be a power issue with the "Paddlers" to hurt & humiliate a child.

However, it may be acceptable for High School age teenagers but as only a last resort there are far too many other choices as a form of discipline & punishment without resorting to violence. Have we not evolved?

Beeville
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December 01, 2008
We are looking into why those comments are not showing.

Thanks,

Jason Collins
question
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December 01, 2008
Why aren't the comments of 6:23AM and 6:50AM published?
still suffering
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December 01, 2008
I'm a girl and I got 3 "licks" actually it was (baseball bat swings)(I could've handled 'licks') when I was in 7th grade for making a raspberry (that is sticking my tongue out & blowing) not a serious offense defintely not worth 3 baseball bat swings! To this day I have severe menstrual cramps which I had not had prior the abuse I experience at the hands of a male teacher Mr Robert Young hope he's burning in hell!

so called peacemaker bet you beat your kids with belts too do you still like to get a so called lick when you misbehave you should or are you a backwoods pansie!?
"The Peacemaker"
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December 01, 2008
Have any of you ever had a "lick" before? You must not have because when I was growing up, that was the best means for getting the point across from school teachers when you're "misbehaving". I have had some licks from Coaches that hurt like hell but never got in trouble after that! It only stung afterwards for a little while. Suspending a child doesn't get the point across at all. They'll keep doing what they do again and again. You all are a bunch of pansies...
Wake Up parents
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December 01, 2008
Let's get things straight. This child was not disciplined with "lumber"!!! It was a paddle; lumber is a tree that has been dressed for human use. Your inhtentional choice of this inappropriate word does not make you more right. Punishment, in any form, is designed to instill fear to be effective.

Those who believe corporate punishment is an abusive behavior must realize that, if these kids were raised in a correct manner by their parents in the first place, the schools would not have to discipline them. Their parents should have instilled the difference between right and wrong. The teachers should not have to put up with disruption, nor should the students, who come to school to learn.

The rights of children should not be an issue in this matter. If kids behaved the way they should, then corporal punishment would not be an issue. With a parent's permission, a student facing detention or suspension can choose paddling instead.

Corporal punishment is not appropriate for every child. If he responds to other methods of discipline, well and good. But if he doesn't respond, corporal punishment is appropriate and should be an option. You parents who jumped on this "band wagon" had better wake up and get your children on the right path early on.

The punishments used now will never work for students today or in the future. What is a phone call to a parent? If that does not bring fear at an elementary level, it definitely will not have an effect on middle school students or high school adolescents. Schools need punishment that is terrifying - a punishment that is sure to bring discomfort and not enjoyment. ?